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Post by Superfish on Sept 3, 2012 0:00:52 GMT -5
GAH! this place is so dead -_-' Ah, anywise for the past week i've been slaving over my DS and writing down pages and pages of notes trying to come up with my own WI-FI team. i'm not sure if anyone here plays competitively or not, but either way, this is the team i came up with and i would like your opinions, oh and i tried to put the most interesting/ unique nicknames that i could, so tell me how you like the nicknames also! (Not posting the EV's i put into them, because im lazy ) - Scizor, "Pixie" Role: Physical Sweeper - Bullet Punch - Swords Dance - X-Scissor - Brick Break - Breloom, "Picasso" Role: Bulky Physical Sweeper - Spore - Substitute - Focus Punch - Seed Bomb - Swampart, "U Liek Me?" Role: Tank - Waterfall - Ice Punch - Earthquake - Toxic - Umbreon, "Nova" Role: Mixed Wall (Tested, He can take a BEATING!) - Moonlight - Faint Attack - Meanlook / Protect - Toxic - Ninetails, "Sexy Lady" Role: Special Sweeper / Sun Abuser - Sunny Day - Solarbeam - Flamethrower - Will-O-Wisp - Starmie, "Death Star" Role: Special Sweeper - Scald - Thunderbolt - Ice Beam - Recover Yeah, well that's it. What do you guys think?
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Post by Jack on Sept 3, 2012 7:52:09 GMT -5
Now, I'm no expert, but surely you don't need 4 Sweepers?
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Post by Dogsplace on Sept 3, 2012 8:59:01 GMT -5
I have no idea, I hardly ever play pokemon anymore.
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Post by Superfish on Sept 3, 2012 9:44:24 GMT -5
@jack, i've thought about this too, and breloom isn't a pure "sweeper" He's actually more of a substitute abuser and has the possibility of sweeping a team if he want's to. if you look at his move set, that is not the moveset you would use for a pure sweeper, so in reality he is kind of a mix between a spore / substitute abuser hile still being capable of sweeping a team if need be. Next is ninetails, she is not so much a pure "sweeper" either, she is the weather pokemon on my team so that i can get the sunny day up. She helps me counter drizzle teams and sandstorm teams, and even giving breloom a major attack boost with seed bomb but she is also being capable of sweeping a team if everything is set up right. But don't forget that these 2 pokemon are slightly bulky, so again they are not pure "sweepers" because they can take a couple of hits and have more uses. As for Scizor and Starmie, yes they a pure all out speed demon sweepers, and may i say dang good ones at that. But beside all of this, you need more sweepers on a team than walls, or atleast for the strategie i'm using you do. I might wind up trading ninetails or swampart for an annoyer though, i haven't battled enough people to really test my whole team out.
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Post by Darkrai87 on Sept 3, 2012 11:28:09 GMT -5
Alright I've been in the competitive scene for quite some time so I know what I'm talking about. 1st of all, what items are they carrying? That would be nice to know, also are they EV trained? If so, what are their spreads? Natures would be nice too. As for movesets you've got some pretty standard stuff, but I'd go with Payback over Faint Attack since Umbreon is an amazing physical wall but it's as slow as heck. So Payback almost always gets the double base power to 100 so you're hitting a bit harder. Finally, you should try to get a Drought Ninetales from the DW or through a trade so that you can set up the sun right on the turn you switch in. The best part is, you can still carry Sunny Day on it in case another weather inducer comes in so you still have your weather up. You do have to be weary of using Starmie though, because then it's water attacks will be halved. This is all just my opinion but I think you should take it into consideration.
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Post by Superfish on Sept 3, 2012 19:27:08 GMT -5
ah yes, i've studied up on the drought nine tails, but im not going to go through the trouble of getting one until i've played with the one i have now and decide if i like it, if i don't then i wont need to get a drought one. And yes, they are all being ev trained. I'm almost completely done ev training, i just need to train scizor and starmie. Uhh yeas, i did get them with the desired gender, and yes i have also planned out there items, but i'm pretty tired right now so i'll post em tomorow sometime. Oh, and the only reason i went faint attack was because it never missed, but now that you mention payback, i might actually swap the two moves
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Post by Darkluigi on Sept 4, 2012 7:26:02 GMT -5
I think the IVs of the pokemon are important too. I suggest use the RNG reporter to hatch a near perfect pokemon. But it takes a while to master it.
I don't do much of the standard 6v6 full battle now a days... What i'm trying to do is hatch a very useless pokemon but with awesome IVs, giving it EVs and maxing the level without evolving it. Then teaching it like 2 STABs and some healing/defense moves. While in battle, I give the useless pokemon some power-ups from my stalling/stat giving pokemon team, then beat the crap out of their pokemon. Copied this technique from this guy who does fun wi-fi battles in youtube. Its really fun to do unless... it dies. xD
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Post by Darkrai87 on Sept 4, 2012 15:35:55 GMT -5
5th Gen RNG is really easy, but Fisheh's just beginning. If you get lost it's REALLY helpful if you can talk to other experienced RNGers in the process. I learned from the people on Pokecheck after getting caught hacking, and I redeemed my self. I haven't RNG'd much but meh. Anywho, what fish is doing is good enough for right now. But yeah, I definitely suggest the switch from Faint Attack to Payback because Umbreon has less than Stellar Attack and Speed so the almost guaranteed 100 base power is very nice.
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Post by Superfish on Sept 8, 2012 12:08:13 GMT -5
GAH! I have my whole team EV trained and with good items and moves and whats not, and i've been doing the random wi-fi matchup where you pick 3 pomemon to use, and its SO hard! I've been getting destroyed! I think i have like 10 wins, and 53 losses or something like that, it's horrible!
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Post by Jack on Sept 8, 2012 12:51:36 GMT -5
Sounds like my average KDR on Tf2. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Just kidding I'm not that bad.
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Post by Superfish on Sept 8, 2012 13:30:40 GMT -5
Lo0l, i mean seriously, the people i'm battling are asian kids with like 700+ wins, how am i supposed to beat them?? xD
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Post by Darkrai87 on Sept 8, 2012 16:54:34 GMT -5
I agree, Random Matchup is extremely challenging. The only way to win is with very strategic plays and carefull planning and prediction. The B&W Metagame is challenging, and B&W2 is gonna be even worse. Once you've been in a lot of battles and seen other people play you'll learn checks and counters for certain pokemon, the usual movesets and items, and what plays the opponent will do. It's all about practice.
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Post by Superfish on Sept 8, 2012 18:59:11 GMT -5
Yeah, well i know i don't have the experience yet, but i'm pretty knowledgeable on what pokemon usually do what, and what their highest stats are, and that usually helps.. Like almost all dragons usually calm mind about twice then outrage and swap, and brelooms are usually toxic orbed, and whats not. plus i've been watching a crap ton of "thekillernacho" 's youtube videos, so i know what does what usually but like i said, i just lack experience OH hey D87, do you wanna battle me sometime just for the heck of it even though i'll probably lose.?
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Post by Darkrai87 on Sept 9, 2012 11:27:26 GMT -5
Tbh I'm not that great at battling, I just know a lot about it. xD But if you're meeting a lot of people who are Calm Minding and then using Outrage, you're fighting a lot of noobs for lack of a better term. Because outrage is a physical based Dragon type move so the +2 special attack isn't going to make it any stronger. Unless they're just going for the +2 Sp. Defense then they've just wasted two turns.
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Post by DigiDice on Sept 9, 2012 11:34:51 GMT -5
hay what genders are your team
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Post by Darkrai17 on Sept 9, 2012 12:23:30 GMT -5
Is it even possible for dragon types to even learn calm mind? I didn't know that they could.
Anyways back on topic, I may not be a very good competitive battler or all that knowledgeable on the stats of Pokemon since I usually see Pokemon data base for that stuff.
I think your team is looking pretty good so far superfish. Just make sure that your Ninetails doesn't get hit by ground type moves because that's what people usually do, they attack fire types with Earthquake mainly.
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Post by Darkrai87 on Sept 9, 2012 12:50:13 GMT -5
Giratina, Latios, and Latias are the only 2 dragon types that can learn calm mind.
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Post by Darkrai17 on Sept 9, 2012 13:13:51 GMT -5
Oh yeah. *face palm* Duh! Anyways, I honestly do find it annoying at how many people use legendaries because it does make the battle un-fair.
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Post by magmadragon12 on Sept 9, 2012 17:44:24 GMT -5
Giratina, Latios, and Latias are the only 2 dragon types that can learn calm mind. um thats 3 not 2. (or are you counting latias and latios as the same pokemon?)
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Post by Darkrai87 on Sept 9, 2012 18:38:11 GMT -5
Heheh, sorry I meant 3. P:
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